Hello to all and sorry for the long time between posts. My topic here is whether one mans Racism is another mans honest and decent behavior.
I recently joined a Yahoo group I will not mention the name, the rules for joining the forum were posted at the entry page so it can be reasonable to assume I new the rules before joining. The current rule are as follows:Description
This is a Group for persons British, and their spouse/girlfriend/fiancée; either Living in the Philippines, particularly Cebu, or considering doing so.
Unlike other Yahoo Groups dedicated to the Philippines, its people, cultures, and more specifically Cebu, this Yahoo Group - 'I will not name it', is only open to those main members, who hold a British Passport! A Filipino wishing to join, would need a 'partner', who is a Member. The only purpose behind this stipulation, is to keep the message postings focused on those topics of interest to Brits (and to keep scammers out hopefully?).
When joining this group I already knew that it was open only to British Passport Holders and their relative spouses etc. I honestly believed that this stipulation would be fairly flexible, but oh, how wrong could I have been.
A post was made by a member concerning monkeys attacking Americans, this was basically a true story and was posted because it was also in a way quite humorous. To my surprise the post was removed, the reason, nothing to do with things British!
Well, I saw RED, I wrote to the group and expressed my concern and suggested it only added a little light relief to an otherwise boring subject matter (my words could have been better chosen in hindsight). I went on to state that Britain cannot make it in this world alone and nor could this forum.
I suggested that as a matter of courtesy to our Philippine Hosts we should allow them to join the forum, after all many might have some very interesting information about their own country. I was basically told that the forum rules are quite clearly stated and that the forum has no intention of letting "any Tom Dick or Harry" join it. Now to those no English countries, TOM, DICK OR HARRY, is an expression often used. Regardless of this, it is still a derogatory term, for example:
You go to a nightclub, you try to get in and the bouncer says no way, on asking why, he might reply listen mate we don't let any TOM, DICK OR HARRY in here. His words are derogatory to that person, as he has been labeled unsuitable or unworthy to gain entry, he has been labeled as a "TOM, DICK OR HARRY"
So my problem is this, am I being over sensitive or is this in fact a case of Racism hiding behind the facade of a nice yahoo group for British Folk.
The sad thing with all of this, is that most members of the group are married to Filipinas, so there is a contradiction in my accusation of Racism. How can the entry requirements to the group be Racist when many members are married to a person from the country I am accusing entry requirements to be racist against.
Well I think it can and does happen. You see many foreigners come to the Philippines because they know they can find themselves typically a young bride or girlfriend. These people (typically 50 year olds+) are happy to strut around with their little babe in arms showing off to the world "Hey Guys, Look what I have got". In truth and in many cases the girl is with the guy because she was so poor that being with him is perhaps the only way to get anything in life.
When you hear many of these people speak about the Philippines and Filipinos you hardly hear a good word spoken, “the people are stupid, the hospitals are dirty, the police are corrupt it goes on an on”. At this point I will hold my hand up and say I have made some of these comments, always out of frustrations that arise here. Even Filipinos make some of the remarks so you have to give a little tolerance and you have to live here to understand.Let me say here that I have met many 50+ guys who are honest decent and have a great deal of respect for their wives and culture.
and I am certainly not accusing members of the Cebu_Brit club as being racist or the types of person described above. I met only two members in person and neither of these could be described as anything other than fair minded and respectful of their spouses and the Filipino culture and people.
I have ranted on for long enough, my point is that if you have a group aimed at information helpful to British Citizens, living or looking to live in Cebu, out of courtesy, Filipinos must be allowed to join. It is Racist to keep them out because they are not British. Were it in Europe or the USA the entry rules would be unacceptable because of the British Passport Stipulation.
Tell me what you think, I received the following posts from the Yahoo group in question, as you can see they are very enlightened, intelligent and complimentary:febalan SHUT THE F##K up as you are destroying an excellent group with your, frankly, incoherent "I've had a post deleted and I am furious so I will vent and talk crap and disagree with all posts until everyone gets bored with what I have to say and agrees in pure frustration so I will SHUT UPÂ
even when they disagree or agree with me" views. If you think you are foolish then maybe your options are to either un-
subscribe or apologise, or,
If you still think your in the right then maybe you should un-
subscribe for being a fool without a clue, or, just shut the hell up.
Either way, get a life, lighten up, smell the roses and go to another
Fed up with febalan' arses view,
The person who runs the group in reply to me asking for one of the above post to be removed, posted:Whilst Alan (Febalan), might have thrown a wobbly a spat his dummy out and resigned from the forum, I do ask that there is 'No Flaming' on this Yahoo Group, in line with many other Yahoo Groups - attack the topic not the poster!
We do not need name calling and abuse being hurled at individual members, just because they have a viewpoint or opinion which goes against that of others.
I had already replied to Alan (febalan) stating my viewpoints and trying to show him I was not being derogatory towards Filipinos. I was trying to inject a little humur into the many (perhaps boring to some) postings on Visa's, pensions etc.
The main point I was trying to make is, no matter what Alan's views on allowing Philipinos to join this Group, I will only allow such to join, where they have a BritClub member to vouch for them - ie partner/fiance/spouce etc. I do not want to get Filipinos joining up to Spam this Group, like on some other Groups.
If you read this carefully you will see that this group has no intention of letting in Filipino's in the group leaders words: "The main point I was trying to make is, no matter what Alan's views on allowing Philipinos to join this Group, I will only allow such to join, where they have a BritClub member to vouch for them - ie partner/fiance/spouce etc. I do not want to get Filipinos joining up to Spam this Group, like on some other Groups"
So here is my dilemma and question, the guy that runs this forum is not in my opinion a racist of any sort, and I would never try to brand him as one. Yet his stipulation for membership to his group is Racist, not only to Filipinos but to the rest of the Worlds nationalities.
I do not believe the group is racist, however it fails to see how the groups entry requirements are indeed racist. Therein lies a world wide problem faced by many of the oppressed ethnic groups. They are discriminated against by people who honestly cannot see that they are doing it.
Tell me what you think, am I out of touch with reality, have I got the wrong end of the stick or am I in truth, correct and trying to fight for the right of freedom and fairness in a world that quite honestly is loosing touch with all that has gone on in the past, all the struggles various races have had to fight to earn the right to be accepted.
Thanks for Reading